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Poster: light into ashes Date: Jun 26, 2012 1:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Did Anyone in the Allmans Like the Dead?

This post reminded me of Butch Truck's comment on the Dead:
"Once in a while they would really lock in and find a groove. It was very few and far between but they would do it. The later years of the band it almost never happened. It is my opinion that there were only three guys in the band who could really play and that was Jerry Garcia, Phil Lesh and Bill Kreutzmann. The nights it was really good were when the three of them really clicked and the other guys just stayed out of the way. Toward the end, the other guys took on a stronger position as Jerry got further out of it. They would play for hours and they would just noodle and go nowhere."
This started a long discussion here:
http://archive.org/post/378909/butch-trucks-quote-dead-related

Anyway, Gregg is talking out of his ass here, and completely misrepresenting Duane as well.
Remember - what were the shows where Gregg first heard the Dead and said that they had "no groove at all"?
The Fillmore East run in Feb '70 - yes, that notoriously poor run, with NFAs and Lovelights totally lacking in groove, per Gregg. (Of course, he was singing & playing in one of those Lovelights, so he ought to know, I guess...) Obviously only a few sips of acid would make that music bearable!

And Duane saying "this is shit"? Right.
This is the same Duane who said in an interview: "I love the Dead. As far as Jerry Garcia, Jerry Garcia could walk on water. He could do anything any man could ever do. He's a prince."

Members of the Dead & Allmans sure sat in with each other a bunch of times up through '73, so if Gregg was just "ignoring them," he'd have to turn up his nose quite often.
(Perhaps Gregg's estrangement from Jerry helps explain why the two bands didn't interact after '73.)

Aside from the famous '73 shows, the two bands were going to tour together in fall '72, though that got cancelled by Oakley's death. (I can just imagine Gregg whining, "Man, we have to play with those guys again?" Then again, maybe he felt differently at the time.)

Garcia himself pointed out in 1973, "Dickey and the guys had flashed on our music when we played at a festival in Florida about five or six years ago. We really inspired them and they've patterned a lot of their trip after us. They're like a younger, Southern version of us in some ways musically. I really enjoy playing with those guys, they're fun to play with. They're good."
http://deadessays.blogspot.com/2009/08/allmans-dead.html

I think Duane & Dickey may have understood the Dead's music better than Gregg did.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jun 26, 2012 4:47pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Anyone in the Allmans Like the Dead?

< Gregg is talking out of his ass here, and completely misrepresenting Duane as well.>
Couldn't agree more LIA. Well put.
I'll never need Greg telling me what Duane said.

And just while I'm here, when you think about it, there's not a whole lot wrong with Butch Trucks' analysis.

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Poster: Daddy D Date: Jun 30, 2012 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Anyone in the Allmans Like the Dead?

"And just while I'm here, when you think about it, there's not a whole lot wrong with Butch Trucks' analysis."

I think you've gotta' add Keith to that list...

Recently checked Greg's autobiography out of my local library...evidently Jerry referred to (or called him) a "narc" at one point (in reference to Gregg's testimony at a drug trial) which I guess resulted in some animosity on Gregg's part.

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Poster: Reade Date: Jun 30, 2012 1:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Did Anyone in the Allmans Like the Dead?

Good call. Keith is henceforth added to the list.

I haven't seen the Gregg book but Butch Trucks
http://thebutchtrucks.blogspot.com/
was very complimentary about it on his blog.
No sniping here ala members of The Band. Refreshing.

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